Comments on: Why green electricity prices go up when brown prices do http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/04/09/why-green-electricity-prices-go-up-when-brown-prices-do/ Life post oil and post carbon Mon, 08 Sep 2008 02:54:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: REOldtimer http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/04/09/why-green-electricity-prices-go-up-when-brown-prices-do/#comment-156 REOldtimer Tue, 20 May 2008 19:31:41 +0000 http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/04/09/why-green-electricity-prices-go-up-when-brown-prices-do/#comment-156 The challenge here is to change the business model of the energy sector. Unfortunately, beyond the conversion phase (power generation) wires do not distinguish between green and brown electricity. Is up to the market and a proper business model to do it. The solution is to redraw the whole business model for the life cycle (conversion -->generation --> distribution --> consumption)for green energy, the current merge into the brown energy life cycle is perhaps one of the biggest barriers for the predominance of renewable energy for the masses. The challenge here is to change the business model of the energy sector. Unfortunately, beyond the conversion phase (power generation) wires do not distinguish between green and brown electricity. Is up to the market and a proper business model to do it. The solution is to redraw the whole business model for the life cycle (conversion –>generation –> distribution –> consumption)for green energy, the current merge into the brown energy life cycle is perhaps one of the biggest barriers for the predominance of renewable energy for the masses.

]]> By: paul http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/04/09/why-green-electricity-prices-go-up-when-brown-prices-do/#comment-78 paul Fri, 02 May 2008 08:54:32 +0000 http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/04/09/why-green-electricity-prices-go-up-when-brown-prices-do/#comment-78 Dale - I am interested in the gas debate, as I am one of those in the minority who don't have a domestic gas supply (we live at the top of a hill in a fairly isolated and small village - the gas company can't justify the investment). It's also a veeeeery windy hill - but it is in Gloucestershire so pretty much zero chance of that being exploited. The housing authority that owns most of the properties in the village has a sewage processing plant on site - I have been wondering whether to approach them to discuss CHP and Bio-gas production in the village. I wonder what everyone thinks about bio-gas from human 'sludge' as a potential 'light green' energy source? Dale - I am interested in the gas debate, as I am one of those in the minority who don’t have a domestic gas supply (we live at the top of a hill in a fairly isolated and small village - the gas company can’t justify the investment). It’s also a veeeeery windy hill - but it is in Gloucestershire so pretty much zero chance of that being exploited.

The housing authority that owns most of the properties in the village has a sewage processing plant on site - I have been wondering whether to approach them to discuss CHP and Bio-gas production in the village. I wonder what everyone thinks about bio-gas from human ’sludge’ as a potential ‘light green’ energy source?

]]> By: dale http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/04/09/why-green-electricity-prices-go-up-when-brown-prices-do/#comment-77 dale Fri, 02 May 2008 08:22:58 +0000 http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/04/09/why-green-electricity-prices-go-up-when-brown-prices-do/#comment-77 @Me – Thanks Me, we’re not overly worried about our image. I hope that we’d be able to show people that if you scratch the surface of the issue there are good reasons to supply gas. Such as - Two out of three homes in the UK have it and are inaccessible to our green electricity if we can’t supply gas – that’s a large new audience to get our message to. It would give us a platform to promote the better use of gas, through efficiency measures and solar thermal. And we’ll get to take the money that gets spent on gas anyway and do something good with it - for example habitat re creation or planting more windmills. Gas is one of those things many people are stuck with right now, we’d like to green that up in any way we can. Zero carbon is a journey, for all of us – there’s no overnight magic. Cheers. @Me – Thanks Me, we’re not overly worried about our image. I hope that we’d be able to show people that if you scratch the surface of the issue there are good reasons to supply gas. Such as - Two out of three homes in the UK have it and are inaccessible to our green electricity if we can’t supply gas – that’s a large new audience to get our message to. It would give us a platform to promote the better use of gas, through efficiency measures and solar thermal. And we’ll get to take the money that gets spent on gas anyway and do something good with it - for example habitat re creation or planting more windmills. Gas is one of those things many people are stuck with right now, we’d like to green that up in any way we can. Zero carbon is a journey, for all of us – there’s no overnight magic. Cheers.

]]> By: Me http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/04/09/why-green-electricity-prices-go-up-when-brown-prices-do/#comment-57 Me Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:57:25 +0000 http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/04/09/why-green-electricity-prices-go-up-when-brown-prices-do/#comment-57 Dual-fuel from Ecotricity? That will be interesting - I can see the financial advantage, competing with the other energy companies, but doesn't that affect the carbon free image? Dual-fuel from Ecotricity? That will be interesting - I can see the financial advantage, competing with the other energy companies, but doesn’t that affect the carbon free image?

]]> By: zed http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/04/09/why-green-electricity-prices-go-up-when-brown-prices-do/#comment-38 zed Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:43:18 +0000 http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/04/09/why-green-electricity-prices-go-up-when-brown-prices-do/#comment-38 Hi all, My name is Zed (also known as Zak), I have been working for Ecotricity as an administrator since August 2007 and I thought I would share my thoughts on this matter with everyone. As far as I can see, a lot of the other main suppliers in the country charge about the same as us in the standard tariffs but will half the price when it comes to a dual fuel tariff. This means that when we finally achieve dual fuel we will be able to compete with the market at a stronger rate thus, increase our customer base at an incredible rate. Our prices are actually on the same price level as the other 6 large suppliers in the country but they will conceal their true price in different tariff options to actually make it seem a lot cheaper. I think we are still as competitive in the green/brown market as ever but we just decide to show our prices up front as opposed to part of a dual fuel tariff. We will also invest huge amounts of money into our green electricity, we invested 25 million in 2007 whereas NPower invested £15,000. Compared to the financial situation of both companies, I think that we are way ahead. Thanks Zed Hi all,

My name is Zed (also known as Zak), I have been working for Ecotricity as an administrator since August 2007 and I thought I would share my thoughts on this matter with everyone.

As far as I can see, a lot of the other main suppliers in the country charge about the same as us in the standard tariffs but will half the price when it comes to a dual fuel tariff. This means that when we finally achieve dual fuel we will be able to compete with the market at a stronger rate thus, increase our customer base at an incredible rate.

Our prices are actually on the same price level as the other 6 large suppliers in the country but they will conceal their true price in different tariff options to actually make it seem a lot cheaper.

I think we are still as competitive in the green/brown market as ever but we just decide to show our prices up front as opposed to part of a dual fuel tariff. We will also invest huge amounts of money into our green electricity, we invested 25 million in 2007 whereas NPower invested £15,000. Compared to the financial situation of both companies, I think that we are way ahead.

Thanks
Zed

]]> By: dale http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/04/09/why-green-electricity-prices-go-up-when-brown-prices-do/#comment-35 dale Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:19:36 +0000 http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/04/09/why-green-electricity-prices-go-up-when-brown-prices-do/#comment-35 Thanks Brown, I appreciate the support. If you mean A or B (as opposed both together) you'll be an Ecotricity customer till you're old and grey, that I can promise you. Cheers, Dale Thanks Brown, I appreciate the support. If you mean A or B (as opposed both together) you’ll be an Ecotricity customer till you’re old and grey, that I can promise you. Cheers, Dale

]]> By: Brown http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/04/09/why-green-electricity-prices-go-up-when-brown-prices-do/#comment-13 Brown Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:29:20 +0000 http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/04/09/why-green-electricity-prices-go-up-when-brown-prices-do/#comment-13 We will stay with Ecotricity as long as: A) I can afford it. B) They keep investing 100% of their net profits in expanding their wind related infrastructure. We will stay with Ecotricity as long as:
A) I can afford it.
B) They keep investing 100% of their net profits in expanding their wind related infrastructure.

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