<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Our record attempt thwarted by climate change</title>
	<atom:link href="http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/09/04/our-record-attempt-thwarted-by-climate-change/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/09/04/our-record-attempt-thwarted-by-climate-change/</link>
	<description>Life post oil and post carbon</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 11:11:03 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: dale</title>
		<link>http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/09/04/our-record-attempt-thwarted-by-climate-change/#comment-2063</link>
		<dc:creator>dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://zerocarbonista.com/?p=49#comment-2063</guid>
		<description>Hi Tom, sorry I don&#039;t have any specific bus data, but I suspect the ratios would be the same, that it would require three times as much energy to power via hydrogen than via electricity.


Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom, sorry I don&#8217;t have any specific bus data, but I suspect the ratios would be the same, that it would require three times as much energy to power via hydrogen than via electricity.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tom's Orchid Flowers Help</title>
		<link>http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/09/04/our-record-attempt-thwarted-by-climate-change/#comment-1881</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom's Orchid Flowers Help</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://zerocarbonista.com/?p=49#comment-1881</guid>
		<description>[quote]The figures we’ve seen show that hydrogen cars will do one third of the miles per unit of electricity that pure EVs will do - and that was hydrogen fuel cell cars ..[/quote]
Do you have any data on the buses that are currently tested in major european cities? 
I see them frequently but the public transport company doesn&#039;t publish any data except the general PR stuff about only exhausting vapor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]The figures we’ve seen show that hydrogen cars will do one third of the miles per unit of electricity that pure EVs will do &#8211; and that was hydrogen fuel cell cars ..[/quote]<br />
Do you have any data on the buses that are currently tested in major european cities?<br />
I see them frequently but the public transport company doesn&#8217;t publish any data except the general PR stuff about only exhausting vapor</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: dale</title>
		<link>http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/09/04/our-record-attempt-thwarted-by-climate-change/#comment-1132</link>
		<dc:creator>dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://zerocarbonista.com/?p=49#comment-1132</guid>
		<description>Thanks Peter, didn&#039;t hear of that Radio 4 program, or the hydrogen economy stats.

The figures we&#039;ve seen show that hydrogen cars will do one third of the miles per unit of electricity that pure EVs will do - and that was hydrogen fuel cell cars - the internal combustion version is worse still.

I stand by our 12% and &lt;a href=&quot;http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/05/23/more-on-transport-petrol-stations-of-the-future/&quot; title=&quot;More on transport - Petrol stations of the future&quot;  rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;we&#039;ve set out the basis for the calculation&lt;/a&gt; - it&#039;s in the open and open to challenge.

Hydrogen cars can&#039;t make sense given the energy efficiency involved.

Regarding our fuel mix, we&#039;re just about to announce that for last year (official figures just in) where we forecast/promised 30% from own green - we delivered in fact 37%...!

We&#039;re pretty pleased with that, coming as it did despite strong growth in customer numbers and therefore being a moving (increasing) target.

For the year we are in now we&#039;re forecasting we&#039;ll hit 50%.......!

Making good progress.

Yep - the UK only has 5% renewables, so much more needs to be done by every one of us.

We can&#039;t ignore the impending oil crisis just because the electricity situation is a mountain to climb though.  It&#039;s coming and we need ideas and strategies to deal with it.  And we can&#039;t hope to deal with climate change if we don&#039;t deal with cars.

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Peter, didn&#8217;t hear of that Radio 4 program, or the hydrogen economy stats.</p>
<p>The figures we&#8217;ve seen show that hydrogen cars will do one third of the miles per unit of electricity that pure EVs will do &#8211; and that was hydrogen fuel cell cars &#8211; the internal combustion version is worse still.</p>
<p>I stand by our 12% and <a href="http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/05/23/more-on-transport-petrol-stations-of-the-future/" title="More on transport - Petrol stations of the future"  rel="nofollow">we&#8217;ve set out the basis for the calculation</a> &#8211; it&#8217;s in the open and open to challenge.</p>
<p>Hydrogen cars can&#8217;t make sense given the energy efficiency involved.</p>
<p>Regarding our fuel mix, we&#8217;re just about to announce that for last year (official figures just in) where we forecast/promised 30% from own green &#8211; we delivered in fact 37%&#8230;!</p>
<p>We&#8217;re pretty pleased with that, coming as it did despite strong growth in customer numbers and therefore being a moving (increasing) target.</p>
<p>For the year we are in now we&#8217;re forecasting we&#8217;ll hit 50%&#8230;&#8230;.!</p>
<p>Making good progress.</p>
<p>Yep &#8211; the UK only has 5% renewables, so much more needs to be done by every one of us.</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t ignore the impending oil crisis just because the electricity situation is a mountain to climb though.  It&#8217;s coming and we need ideas and strategies to deal with it.  And we can&#8217;t hope to deal with climate change if we don&#8217;t deal with cars.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Peter Pannier</title>
		<link>http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/09/04/our-record-attempt-thwarted-by-climate-change/#comment-1089</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Pannier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://zerocarbonista.com/?p=49#comment-1089</guid>
		<description>Wonder if you heard the &#039;Costing the Earth&#039; Radio 4 programme the other day about EVs and hydrogen. Someone thinks electrolysis machines in peoples homes and internal combustion engines run on hydrogen seem more likely. similar to your retrofitting i guess, but probably cheaper. and they were talking about normal cars not sports cars. you know how i feel about all that, but still. thought i&#039;d pass on a crunched number of theirs.

compared to your 12%, they went with 17%. i think that&#039;s significant.

more importantly, i&#039;m amazed you dismiss 12%, given that you&#039;re still on 30% for your limited number of customers, and stuggling to free yourselves from market prices as a result. (and the UK generally is on what? - less than 5% genuine renewable right).

i&#039;d focus on producing enough electric for what we use now, and trying to get people to reduce it, rather than encouraging them /saying that we as a society can use more! (bottlenecks in planning aside, obviously. i&#039;m thinking about that one too...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonder if you heard the &#8216;Costing the Earth&#8217; Radio 4 programme the other day about EVs and hydrogen. Someone thinks electrolysis machines in peoples homes and internal combustion engines run on hydrogen seem more likely. similar to your retrofitting i guess, but probably cheaper. and they were talking about normal cars not sports cars. you know how i feel about all that, but still. thought i&#8217;d pass on a crunched number of theirs.</p>
<p>compared to your 12%, they went with 17%. i think that&#8217;s significant.</p>
<p>more importantly, i&#8217;m amazed you dismiss 12%, given that you&#8217;re still on 30% for your limited number of customers, and stuggling to free yourselves from market prices as a result. (and the UK generally is on what? &#8211; less than 5% genuine renewable right).</p>
<p>i&#8217;d focus on producing enough electric for what we use now, and trying to get people to reduce it, rather than encouraging them /saying that we as a society can use more! (bottlenecks in planning aside, obviously. i&#8217;m thinking about that one too&#8230;)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: dale</title>
		<link>http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/09/04/our-record-attempt-thwarted-by-climate-change/#comment-884</link>
		<dc:creator>dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://zerocarbonista.com/?p=49#comment-884</guid>
		<description>Hi &lt;a href=&quot;http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/09/04/our-record-attempt-thwarted-by-climate-change/#comment-831&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alexis&lt;/a&gt;, I&#039;m with &lt;a href=&quot;http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/09/04/our-record-attempt-thwarted-by-climate-change/#comment-846&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fr Peter&lt;/a&gt; on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi <a href="http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/09/04/our-record-attempt-thwarted-by-climate-change/#comment-831" rel="nofollow">Alexis</a>, I&#8217;m with <a href="http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/09/04/our-record-attempt-thwarted-by-climate-change/#comment-846" rel="nofollow">Fr Peter</a> on this one.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Fr. Peter</title>
		<link>http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/09/04/our-record-attempt-thwarted-by-climate-change/#comment-846</link>
		<dc:creator>Fr. Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://zerocarbonista.com/?p=49#comment-846</guid>
		<description>Hi Alexis,

Yes there have always been extremes, but these have usually been localised and individual extremes. What we have now is a world-wide phenomena and ‘Global Warming’ (sounds almost cuddly), and ‘Climate Change’ are not really descriptive enough of what is happening, I prefer the expression ‘Climate Chaos’ as this is surely more accurate and easier understood.

As a former race driver I agree with Dale&#039;s aims and his comment that Greenbird &quot;would get them [people] thinking&quot;. That&#039;s a dangerous thing, getting people’s attention and making them think... that&#039;s when things start to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alexis,</p>
<p>Yes there have always been extremes, but these have usually been localised and individual extremes. What we have now is a world-wide phenomena and ‘Global Warming’ (sounds almost cuddly), and ‘Climate Change’ are not really descriptive enough of what is happening, I prefer the expression ‘Climate Chaos’ as this is surely more accurate and easier understood.</p>
<p>As a former race driver I agree with Dale&#8217;s aims and his comment that Greenbird &#8220;would get them [people] thinking&#8221;. That&#8217;s a dangerous thing, getting people’s attention and making them think&#8230; that&#8217;s when things start to change.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Alexis</title>
		<link>http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/09/04/our-record-attempt-thwarted-by-climate-change/#comment-831</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://zerocarbonista.com/?p=49#comment-831</guid>
		<description>Hi Dale

There have always been extremes though. You can&#039;t attribute every weather event to climate change. Would the 1974 cyclone which nearly destroyed Darwin come under the heading of &#039;climate change&#039;? It is an extreme after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dale</p>
<p>There have always been extremes though. You can&#8217;t attribute every weather event to climate change. Would the 1974 cyclone which nearly destroyed Darwin come under the heading of &#8216;climate change&#8217;? It is an extreme after all.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: dale</title>
		<link>http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/09/04/our-record-attempt-thwarted-by-climate-change/#comment-795</link>
		<dc:creator>dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://zerocarbonista.com/?p=49#comment-795</guid>
		<description>Alexis, my understanding of climate change is that we&#039;ll have not only long term changes in our weather but we&#039;ll experience dramatic changes in the short term too - freak, extreme unusual weather - like two months rain in two days in a part of the world that had been &#039;dry&#039; for five years.  Fits the description.  Climate Change is not some long term gradual thing (only) it&#039;s about in your face short term extremes that are already killing people.   Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alexis, my understanding of climate change is that we&#8217;ll have not only long term changes in our weather but we&#8217;ll experience dramatic changes in the short term too &#8211; freak, extreme unusual weather &#8211; like two months rain in two days in a part of the world that had been &#8216;dry&#8217; for five years.  Fits the description.  Climate Change is not some long term gradual thing (only) it&#8217;s about in your face short term extremes that are already killing people.   Cheers.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Alexis Vallance</title>
		<link>http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/09/04/our-record-attempt-thwarted-by-climate-change/#comment-753</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexis Vallance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://zerocarbonista.com/?p=49#comment-753</guid>
		<description>Any short term deviation from the norm in the weather is not attributable to &#039;climate change&#039; and it&#039;s frankly bizarre that you link a couple of wet months in Australia with the long term climate of the planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any short term deviation from the norm in the weather is not attributable to &#8216;climate change&#8217; and it&#8217;s frankly bizarre that you link a couple of wet months in Australia with the long term climate of the planet.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Wind power record breaker&#160;&#124;&#160;Children&#8217;s Tropical Forests</title>
		<link>http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/09/04/our-record-attempt-thwarted-by-climate-change/#comment-739</link>
		<dc:creator>Wind power record breaker&#160;&#124;&#160;Children&#8217;s Tropical Forests</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 08:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://zerocarbonista.com/?p=49#comment-739</guid>
		<description>[...] out more at Dales site Zero Carbonista on the attempt or directly at the Greenbird website (PS its a lovely looking website!)  greenbird, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] out more at Dales site Zero Carbonista on the attempt or directly at the Greenbird website (PS its a lovely looking website!)  greenbird, [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/09/04/our-record-attempt-thwarted-by-climate-change/#comment-708</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://zerocarbonista.com/?p=49#comment-708</guid>
		<description>Peter Pannier,

Evidently you didn&#039;t read Dale&#039;s Post too closely since he clearly states; &quot;it’s an irony not lost on us&quot; that Climate change &quot;appears to be the very thing that has stopped us.&quot;

But I&#039;ll forgive you for ignoring this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Pannier,</p>
<p>Evidently you didn&#8217;t read Dale&#8217;s Post too closely since he clearly states; &#8220;it’s an irony not lost on us&#8221; that Climate change &#8220;appears to be the very thing that has stopped us.&#8221;</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ll forgive you for ignoring this.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: dale</title>
		<link>http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/09/04/our-record-attempt-thwarted-by-climate-change/#comment-706</link>
		<dc:creator>dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 11:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://zerocarbonista.com/?p=49#comment-706</guid>
		<description>Hi Peter - It would take just 12% more electricity than we currently use in the UK  - to power all of our cars (if they were all electric).  That&#039;s well within the realms of the possible.  The UK has enough wind energy to power the whole grid three to four times over, plenty to spare to run our cars.

I&#039;m not ignoring the bike, it&#039;s a great way to get about - but it&#039;s not for everyone and can&#039;t work in all situations.  You have to be realistic about that.

We don&#039;t need to build new cars either, we can retrofit the ones we have.  Our second generation wind powered car is exactly that - a car taken off the road, it&#039;s internal combustion gubbins stripped out, electrified and put back on the road. From gas guzzling polluting machine to sustainable and clean.  

Pity you think Greenbird is a waste of time, I think anything that gets people&#039;s attention, gets them thinking about these issues and how we&#039;ll have to change the way we live - is more than worthwhile.    Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Peter &#8211; It would take just 12% more electricity than we currently use in the UK  &#8211; to power all of our cars (if they were all electric).  That&#8217;s well within the realms of the possible.  The UK has enough wind energy to power the whole grid three to four times over, plenty to spare to run our cars.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not ignoring the bike, it&#8217;s a great way to get about &#8211; but it&#8217;s not for everyone and can&#8217;t work in all situations.  You have to be realistic about that.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need to build new cars either, we can retrofit the ones we have.  Our second generation wind powered car is exactly that &#8211; a car taken off the road, it&#8217;s internal combustion gubbins stripped out, electrified and put back on the road. From gas guzzling polluting machine to sustainable and clean.  </p>
<p>Pity you think Greenbird is a waste of time, I think anything that gets people&#8217;s attention, gets them thinking about these issues and how we&#8217;ll have to change the way we live &#8211; is more than worthwhile.    Cheers.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Peter Pannier</title>
		<link>http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/09/04/our-record-attempt-thwarted-by-climate-change/#comment-645</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Pannier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://zerocarbonista.com/?p=49#comment-645</guid>
		<description>Transport is a serious issue.  Cars are a serious problem.  Wind-powered cars are not a solution, just the same as biofuel-powered cars are not a solution.  We are going to need all the wind power we can get for lots of things, but for transport?

We already have a brilliant way of getting around when the oil runs out - &quot;a transport solution for the world post oil&quot;.  It&#039;s called the bike.  It&#039;s used by huge populations around the world. You may have ignored it. It happens to be the one of the most efficient machines known to man, and certainly the most efficient in transport terms.

There are plenty of bikes around, so we don&#039;t even really need to build new ones, but when we do, they tend to be a lot less polluting in production than cars of any variety - but especially electric cars - especially whole new design and production systems for whole new cars .

There are also plenty of load-carrying bikes, that I can forgive you more for ignoring. These aren&#039;t so well known, but are certainly a more viable option for out future to invest in than flights to australia to mess around with world records.

The irony of climate change stopping you from this waste of time is clearly lost on you... I find it entirely appropriate: the Climate is making it quite clear that we haven&#039;t got time to mess around with technofixes, especially when solutions lie waiting all around us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Transport is a serious issue.  Cars are a serious problem.  Wind-powered cars are not a solution, just the same as biofuel-powered cars are not a solution.  We are going to need all the wind power we can get for lots of things, but for transport?</p>
<p>We already have a brilliant way of getting around when the oil runs out &#8211; &#8220;a transport solution for the world post oil&#8221;.  It&#8217;s called the bike.  It&#8217;s used by huge populations around the world. You may have ignored it. It happens to be the one of the most efficient machines known to man, and certainly the most efficient in transport terms.</p>
<p>There are plenty of bikes around, so we don&#8217;t even really need to build new ones, but when we do, they tend to be a lot less polluting in production than cars of any variety &#8211; but especially electric cars &#8211; especially whole new design and production systems for whole new cars .</p>
<p>There are also plenty of load-carrying bikes, that I can forgive you more for ignoring. These aren&#8217;t so well known, but are certainly a more viable option for out future to invest in than flights to australia to mess around with world records.</p>
<p>The irony of climate change stopping you from this waste of time is clearly lost on you&#8230; I find it entirely appropriate: the Climate is making it quite clear that we haven&#8217;t got time to mess around with technofixes, especially when solutions lie waiting all around us!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: nommo</title>
		<link>http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/09/04/our-record-attempt-thwarted-by-climate-change/#comment-644</link>
		<dc:creator>nommo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://zerocarbonista.com/?p=49#comment-644</guid>
		<description>Bummer... I was looking forward to hearing more about the attempt...

Well - at least it isn&#039;t just the UK that has developed a monsoon period!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bummer&#8230; I was looking forward to hearing more about the attempt&#8230;</p>
<p>Well &#8211; at least it isn&#8217;t just the UK that has developed a monsoon period!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/09/04/our-record-attempt-thwarted-by-climate-change/#comment-639</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://zerocarbonista.com/?p=49#comment-639</guid>
		<description>:-(

Until next year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://zerocarbonista.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Until next year!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
