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55 responses to “The Wind Car – Epsiode 10 of 6”

    • MW

      Brilliant to see it running, the noise is very futuristic too!

      According to this. http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/06/23/mitsubishi-imiev-price-cut-plug-in-hybrid-version-coming/
      Mitsu are looking to take some of the batteries out of their MIEV a and replace add small petrol engine (possibly the 3 cylinder one from the smart car) in order to reduce costs. You would still be doing 70+% of your driving on electricity but you would never have to worry about running out of juice, and the purchase price should be lower than a 100+ mile range version.

      Excellent work Dale & Team.

        • Tim

          Fantasic achievement – I’ve been watching the development from the start. What about bringing this wind powered vehicle technology to a greater audience and making a “Long way down” type documentry covering an old fashioned Gran Turismo type adventure but without the need to refuel.
          My suggestion would be a route covering the whole american continent from Alaska in the north right through the gas gussling capital of the world the USA finishing at the continents tip Chile in the South.
          A fantastic adventure with great promotional value.

    • derek thomas

      Dale

      Many congratulations. Do you have any date set when we can see the car.

      Derek

    • ben keene

      whoooooaaaaaaaa! this is so exciting. great result dale and team. top gear nemesis cometh…

        • Alistair McKechnie

          Agreed, put Clarkson in it without any warning of what he’s about to drive, then let’s watch his jaw drop.
          But as for Nemesis …
          The name works as a headline maker, but not on an owner level. “So is that your Nemesis then?” “Want to take a ride in my Nemesis?”
          The name should really promise a new era, not an end.

    • Mrs V

      That is absolutely awesome – really exciting to see it running, it sounds and looks fantastic! I’m really excited for you all, it’s such a massive achievement ……..and of course I can’t wait to have a go!!!!!

      Well done.

      Kate

    • Justin Noe

      So is this going to be open source technology with a GNU license? That would be a real gift to the world and help bring it to the masses. It would be such a shame not to take this project much further.
      Good luck whatever you choose to do Dale. “Nemesis” sounds pretty cool, it’s like the Batmobile! Love the sound too, it sound like a turbine powering up!

    • Jonny Holt

      Hello Dale,

      Well done! Now get it out onto the TG track and see if it is faster than the Tesla with the Stig at the helm.

      Driving electric cars is always a surprise as the torque characteristics are so different from those of a conventional powertrain. The “stuka” whine is interesting and I am sure could be tuned to sound even more appealing. There was a highly amusing letter reprinted in the latest issue of The Week magazine on the subject of “vroomtones” for otherwise silent electric cars.

      I am not sure about “Nemesis”. It is a bit too predictable and adolescent. According to Wikipedia, “Nemesis … was the ancient Greek goddess of retribution.” Surely such sentiments would be out of kilter with your peaceful hippy ideals.

      Yes, it goes on to acknowledge that “In Modern English, the word commonly refers to an archenemy.” but it also adds that Nemesis is “a painful response to another’s undeserved good fortune” as defined by Aristotle in Nicomachean Ethics. I fail to see how this definition is any more positive than the others!

      Justin’s mention of open source technology prompts me to post this link:

      http://www.riversimple.com/

      I must declare an interest in that I have played a small part in this project, the styling design of the car. However, the whole project is much wider than that, incorporating the building of a hydrogen infrastructure and licensing the designs through an open source foundation. My colleagues are better able to discuss technicalities and commercial aspects, if anyone would like to know more, so feel free to contact them via the website.

      I believe these projects are complimentary and the answer does not lie in any one fuel or power technology. Strength in diversity will be the future.

      Best regards,

      Jonny.

    • David Eastaugh

      Amazing, many many congratulations to the team.

    • Sam

      this vehicle is off the chain!

      i get a little shiver down my spine when i hear that noise (the good kind)

      all these names that have been flying around have made it hard to decide, i cant remember who it was that said previously but it took seeing it come to life to know it’s name. Nemesis all the way,
      bring down the fat cantankerous car companies and their C20th ways!

    • Rob C

      Excellent, very impressive, we just had it playing in the office and everyone was glad to see it running finally, next stop F1?

    • Jonathan Collyear

      Car looks awesome a really amazing achievement now to start the production line up ; ) !!!!

    • Chris

      Fantastic. It looks mean in black too! I take it that’s just a test colour, but what is that, ‘matt black’ of some kind?! Looks like something out of a Mad Max film!
      This is an important milestone in the fight against big oil and deeply unethical ‘built to fail’ petrol vehicles. (I was reading a thing just today about how Amazonian tribes are desperately fighting big oil to protect their land and people from toxic waste and exploitation <:-/ ).

      Onwards and upwards Dale. Tweak it till it’s perfect! Then make us a bus, a tractor, a bike, a lorry, and a plane! Ha! :) :)

      If I could be so bold as to make one suggestion though.. certain critics may rip into it for looking a bit too similar to the Lotus. I hope you plan to do something to set it apart from the Lotus? It needs to look a little more unique to draw attention in my view.

    • Eli Green

      Thunderous applause!

      My only two questions are:

      What was all that rattling?
      What’s the name?

        • Mike Finch

          the rattling was gravel hitting the car thrown up by the wheels i think

    • Dan W

      Congrats to the team! It makes the idea that an EV can out perform a petrol car a little bit more thinkable. I cannot wait till you’ve ironed out all of the creases and then race it with regular cars to rubbish the notion that EV’s are nothing but toys. One question, does it have regenerative braking ? When you said you knackered the brake pads I was thinking ” that’s alot of energy going to waste there.” But I understand that with gears it might be difficult to feed the turning force back into the motor.

    • Adsolar

      The soundtrack spoils the impressive whine one gets from (D)EVs. I test drove an EV on the M1 about 10 years ago and only managed 60mph as the NiMH battery was being run in (or so I was told), that one was wind charged. I also test drove a NiCd Citroen Electrique around the same time, and nearly knocked over a postie as the car was so quiet and fast. The Citroen was developed to soak up surplus nuke but I charged it off PV. EVs for balancing wind energy is a no-brainer ?

      Careful negotiating the grid-lock of Stroud, Dale, you might hurt the beast. Remind us how much its cost, so far. Also, what’s the carbon footprint of the batteries ?

    • Alexandra Deegan

      Hip-hip-hurrah Dale… my sincere congratulations to you and the team, a BIG well done chaps!!

      (Amazing what a bunch of ole guys can pull off in a garden shed)…lol

      Meanwhile, GM, Vauxhall and Ford et al continue to make mega losses…. the future is electrifying defo… hydrogen is simply so NOT the practical answer….

      But think on this… 4 x 2 x personal wheeled transport can ever only be lithium powered for those with big buck’s enuff to pay for the inevitable expensive batteries 80k mile end-o-life change overs….

      (Mass numbers is not going to stack come what may)

      But boy with those Bolivians be happy!

      And Brit’s whom do go electric pre 2013…. just imagine the wheeze…when whizzing past those dumb-petro-heads in your super-slick EV…

      When those massive queues start inevitable forming way down from Supermarkets forecourts – still awaiting for the ever diminishing 95ron/diesel deliveries…

      Happy days ahead!

    • Bruce

      Great work Dale,

      The car looks and sounds great.

      Maybe you could approach some local schools and ask them to come up with a name for the car.

      After all it will be the transport for the future!

      Cant wait to see it running again with new shocks and brakes.

      Top effort

    • Xena

      I’m not sure about the name Nemesis – it means archenemy, which surely the wind car is not?!

        • Dan W

          Arch enemy of big oil/rapacious capitalism perhaps? A Formula series of EV’s that could potentially outperform petrol cars could not be too far away if Dale and the team put this car to more use than just a show piece. Imagine the interest that would be generated by watching current racing big names whizzing around silverstone in these electric monsters and the technological advancement that would come from such a series.

            • Dan W

              I kind of think it ties in with the fight fire with fire approach to cleaning up the world, in that the only forces that are going to be able to counter big business will be in fact businesses themselves- just with better ethics and environmental considerations.

        • TR

          I don’t think anyone doubts the fact that Nemesis is a cool name but I agree that it doesn’t seem to fit with the nature of the car or the project.

          That said it is brilliant to see the car up and running. I love the sound, it’s so futuristic.

    • Xena

      I meant to ask as well… is there a possibility of designing a car that us normal (poor!) people could afford?

    • Alex Macdonald

      Phenomenal achievement Dale. The car sounds fantastic also!!

    • Eric

      Wonderful car, and just in time for the opening of a UK Tesla dealer. I think two races must be in order, a drag race and a 50 or so mile race. I am curious as to which car would win. I know the spectators will.

        • Mike Finch

          yeh, everyone should check out http://www.teslamotors.com/ for more info on the tesla cars, now they look amazing!

    • Rikardo Gomez

      We have to stop seeing electric cars as the so called “FUTURE” we have the technology so is totally the “PRESENT” the first cars of the 1800 were electric. Now we have to understand that an electric car is more for local driving, eventually there could be a hydrogen generator to produce the electricity for a really long range, the new TOYOTA PRIUS has a solar roof which i think is awesome, the HONDA FCX clarity runs entirely on hydrogen, etc. I personally like the TESLA MODEL S is around $40,000 same price as the luxury v8 petrol cars, so we have to learn to use less the petrol car and actually walk to the local groceries store instead of driving the damn car, there is so many ways to live green. NICE JOB DALE i really hope you don’t keep this car to your self and actually make it to production otherwise it would be a shame for the world and the human race, also one more thing the maximum speed limit in the high way of the U.S. is 65mph!!! why do we need to go faster than that!? the speed limit in the street is 35mph in some 55mph!!! cross the line and you end up in court… for a passenger car this is my question do we really need a 160+pmh car? NO!!!.. Do we really need to launch in 3.5seconds? NO!!! take the VW OLD BEETLE for example… cheap, 90mph top, 5 passengers… who have drive a beetle know what am i talking about…! PEACE OUT

        • Xena

          I totally agree – we don’t need cars that can do 100+
          I’ve never been able to get my car above 60 (lol) and it suits just fine
          I need someone with a red flag to walk in front of me when I’m driving, like in the early 1900’s :o)

            • steve

              i disagree i need a car that goes at least 160+ and goes 0-60 in like 3.5 seconds. but thats just me but if you wanna pay for gas or hydrogen as the Prius and Honda FCX by all means. i do agree though with how expensive these cars are but that will change with technology improvements if you have seen the breakthroughs in better technology you will see with in the last 100 years we left led acid and went to lion battery’s witch are more powerful and give us longer battery life just give it a few more years and that tesla s will be like 20,000. but for now ride a bike, get in shape, and save money. thats what I’m doing, till this car comes stateside.

    • Mitchell

      Fantastic site with lots of interesting articles to inspire us mortals.

      I thought you may be interested in this hydrogen fuel cell project from my son who’s just graduated with honours from Coventry University’s Transport Design course…

      http://www.diseno-art.com/index.html

    • penny

      absolutly brilliant! well done and keep it up, I want to see it on the road for the public for a reasonable price.
      good on you guys.

    • Joe Casasanta

      Sorry Dale. Although I can appreciate the countless hours of engineering and design truly required for this undertaking, I am very disappointed in the results of this project. I wouldn’t have even followed this if you had the common decency to reply to one on my comments to you asking if you would have wind turbines installed on the car. At least Mitsubishi is going in the right direction with the car in the following link, although it’s ugly as sin. What a shame that you or your engineering team did not have the foresight to build a true wind turbine assisted automobile.

      http://www.gadgetvenue.com/mitsubishi-i-miev-sport-concept-09080247/

      Still, best of luck, and hope everything turns out as you planned. Too bad I don’t have the cash to follow through with my truly innovative and outside the box ideas that will blow away the automotive industry……..

      signed,
      The Angry American

    • Joe Casasanta

      2 wind turbines in the front grille (they referred to them as fans) will give you the concept.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFtYo0ZYb0E

      My ideas are truly revolutionary. I need the money to make them happen.

      Contact me if you are interested in what I can do to revolutionize the car and wind turbine industry.
      http://www.totaldesignservices.net

        • Jonny Holt

          Hello Joe,

          As Scotty was apt to say in Star Trek “Ye cannae break the laws of physics”.

          The energy to drive these fans derives from the forward movement of the car. Therefore the energy they appear to produce actually comes from the primary fuel source. No energy is imported into the system. A greater degree of overall aerodynamic efficiency would be likely to contribute more to the whole vehicle’s fuel efficiency.

          The Mitsubishi Miev has been widely derided in the global car design community not only for its impracticality but also for its shallow approach to green issues – an example of which are these fans.

          If they were used to recapture energy under braking or deceleration they might contribute a small – but I would believe negligible – amount. From what I can glean from the various media reports on this car, they are not linked to any regenerative braking system. At least that would be recouping otherwise wasted energy.

          It would be lovely if they did work – but unfortunately they don’t.

          Perhaps a more realistic take on an integrated car-mounted wind turbine would be to have one that could be erected when the car is parked in a suitable site and packed away in a dedicated compartment when the car is in use. Even then I suspect that its overall contribution to the energy equation would be small and such a car would struggle to complete journeys of any practical length using wind generated power.

          I believe that Dale’s approach – using big wind via the grid – is the best way.

          Why not at least give us a clue to your revolutionary ideas. Any of us would need some encouragement before deciding whether to be a part of a venture. However, I for one would be happy to sign an NDA before deciding whether or not to collaborate.

          Best regards,

          Jonny.

            • Joe Casasanta

              Well Jonny, I know “we cannae break the laws of physics”. Your thoughts that the turbines derive their power from the forward movement of the car is not correct sir. The turbines, if properly designed, can derive their power from a headwind or from the momentum generated from a downhill slope, similar to how a car uses regenerative braking to generate its power, but in this case the wind turbines generate that extra power. That’s just one example of the efficiencies that could be had. There are more, such as what you noted when parked, especially if you live near the ocean where the wind is always prevalent. WHY BE DEPENDENT ON THE GRID IF THE POSSIBILITIES ARE THERE TO UNPLUG. Do you always want to be a slave to the man?

              The Angry American.

                • Joe Casasanta

                  But again, my ideas are much more far reaching than what I’ve just stated previously regarding these small wind turbines in the front of the Miev.

                    • Jonny Holt

                      Hello Joe,

                      Any headwind would be better mitigated by improved aerodynamics, not by the addition of mass, complexity and cost that is so clearly shown by these fans.

                      If they can generate any useful power at all under braking conditions – even if not linked in directly to a regenerative braking system – I am certain it would be such a small amount as to not be worth the effort. In exactly the same way as the economics of “big wind” turbines provide a return on investment vastly sooner than “small wind” turbines, I can assure you that these would not make any net contribution for a very, very long time.

                      The grid is not bad per se – but ultimately putting our faith in false idols certainly is.

                      Best regards,

                      Jonny (the even-tempered Englishman)

                    • Joe Casasanta

                      Dear Jonny,

                      You are so very right and I am so very wrong.

                      Please accept my humble apologies.

                      signed,

                      The Effervescent Angry American

    • steve

      Congrats Dale!!!!
      Hi I’m a Transportation Design student from the Art Institute of Pittsburgh, USA and i have been following your news on nemesis, watching every new post and i gotta say great job. i can see the potential for this new “wind powered vehicle” and have been sharing with my friends and family this amazing breakthrough in EV’s. design wise though it still looks like a lotus, too much like one. i mean you cant really change much with a donor car. me i’d change the side intake vents (rear of the car) it looks like they were just slapped on there. the front lights look a little too lotus along with the rear lights( i’d go with a leaf look or a wind mill blade look or something that says wind) but thats just my opinion other than that i love it. Now i have been thinking are you ever going to enter your wind powered car into something like the 24 hr, or at least a type of endurance race? also if it goes into production will you bring it to the States? well i cant wait to see more of the car in action an maybe we’ll see it in a car lot soon.
      sincerely Steve B

    • Ville

      Congratulations! It is moving and fast.

      Have you seen this open source electric car project from Finland?

      http://www.sahkoautot.fi/eng

    • Jeffrey Lam

      yay! Good to see the car moving, and at speed too!

      Interesting points about the meaning of “Nemesis”. Perhaps you might consider the name of the Greek messenger god “Hermes”, with winged sandals who flies between the mortal and immortal worlds? Though it does sound a little to close to the name of an STD…

      Those who want a car that “I” would drive, we need to remember that this is not just about greening ourselves, it is about greening the wider public. We personally may be happier with a slow car, but will Joe Public? Should our own austere tastes prevent the man/woman in the street from reducing their own carbon emissions? Admittedly, this car won’t be owned by Joe Public, but it may well be desired by him.

      Way to go Dale and the team! Now let’s see what it can do! And the publicity!

      Best regards
      Jeff

        • TR

          I agree.

          We need “normal” electric cars but just like the traditional car instrustry we need a bit of extravagance to capture people’s imagination… plus we’ll always need people/companies to push the boundaries in order to improve the technology that’s out there.

          Keep up the good work Dale

    • James Pritchard

      Congratulations on your first test runs.
      This is exactly the kind of project that I believe should have all the luck and succeed.

      James

    • Steve Noyce

      Excellent achievement. How about Epoch 1 for a name.

    • Josh

      That is so great you got the car working. Just of the top of my head some ALRIGHT names are:

      NIZAMI-a word used to describe uniqueness and people who do what is right, no matter what the circumstances may be.

      AUTOMATON-A self-operating machine or mechanism.

    • David hicks

      Dale you must finish this car right now and plaster it with your Green Union Jack flag.
      Challenge as may people as can to a race.
      Above all get people to associate the Green flag with Ecoticity not EDF. (Extremely devious French) Company

    • David hicks

      Call the car Green Jack
      Stupid name I know but right now you need publicity to make people associate the Green Union Jack with Ecotricity.
      Have it painted with the Green Union Jack Before you shoot the next test.
      Take EDF to court the publicity would be worth more than the court case.
      Imagine you could drive to every hearing in you car with the Green flag all over it.

    • nick  chapple

      Car name: word play

      Sistan type-G
      Ectotec type-G

      We’ve had E-types, type-R, GT, S, V8, W12, TT
      Maybe grouping green street racers as G types might work finally filling a long awaited gap in the green performance car category

      Ectotherm: An animal that maintains its body temperature by absorbing heat from its changing environment.

      ecto: external \ outside

      ectotec: Technology changing to its outside enviroment
      having word play with eco, tec

      Sistan
      The first practical windmills were built in Sistan, Afghanistan, from the 7th century.

    • ogy

      Good to see you on the good track! May the force be with you all the way..

      Good set of wheels, that defiant ;) ….

    • Barry Walker

      Hello Ian, when is episode 11 due out for the Wind Car? Thank you, Barry