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50 responses to “Wind Car Update – 13 of 6”

    • Nick F

      Cool. It’s all looking good.

      When you come to do the last post on it can you give out the full specs? How far does it go on a charge? …How long does it take to charge at various voltages/amps? …what’s the weight? etc. You don’t have to if you don’t want, but it would be cool to see how it stacks up against the other electric car offerings that are coming along.

      Did you get in the car and go for the max speed yourself? From the video it looks like you didn’t, but I doubt you would have passed up the opportunity after spending so much time and money on it.

      Your comment at the end was intriguing. what other cars were down there testing? Any cool stand out cars?

      Nick 🙂

        • mark boulton

          Hi Mr Vince. Im one of the team of lads at Landamores who built your Oyster yacht, i fitted out the forward cabin (hope nothings dropped off !) Just wondering how she is.
          Been reading with interest about your car in the EDP as well as reading up on line. Could do with something like that to commuite the 28miles to and from Wroxham everyday. Yet again you have shown what makes britain great… innovation and world class engineering. Keep up the amazing work.

    • Graeme H

      Great job. I’m looking forward to seeing the launch.

    • David Hicks

      Great. When its finished please have a go at all the car makers for being so slow in making electric cars.

      We all know they can do it. The problem they all have is that they
      cannot work out how to make money out of electric cars.

      So they are happy for us all to be addicted to oil and endlessly buying new spare parts.

      I think the time is near when this reluctance will be broken.
      Your project is really helping.
      I am looking forward to the day when I can walk the streets not breath in the fumes of dirty Petrol cars.
      Well done

    • Salman Sadiq

      good stuff,

      i think this car should be made an open project, so ever one can try this out,

      what do you say?

    • leavntomorrow

      whats 0 -60 speed? whats the cost? and most importantly whats the approximate for the consumer?

    • leavntomorrow

      I meant to say whats the range and most importantly, the cost.

    • Hartley

      Any dates on the official “launch?”

    • Michael Johnson

      While I welcome research into electric vehicles, isn’t this project really just an exercise in chasing red herrings?

      While a superfast electric sports car with great acceleration is obviously a headline-grabber, it’s hardly practical as an everyday vehicle. We don’t really need cars like this.

      I’d be more impressed if Ecotricity came up with a family hatchback that had the same range as a petrol-fuelled equivalent car, and could be sold for the same sort of price.

      An electric equivalent of everyday cars such as, say, the Ford Focus or Vauxhall Astra, that could match the performance of those cars on battery power – now that would be a real advance.

      There are several companies making electric sports cars already (the Tesla being the best-known). It’s no big deal to make a small, sleek, electric car that can carry two people really, really fast, for a relatively short distance at a high cost. We know we can do that. It’s being done.

      But, so far, nobody’s managed to come up with a practical, everyday, electric car that can hold its own with any equivalent conventional vehicle, that sells for a sensible price.

      We don’t need record-breaking speeds – but a range of a few hundred miles on one battery charge would be nice. A purchase price in line with any conventional car in the showrooms would be even nicer.

      I suspect the big stumbling block is battery technology. While it’s now almost possible to make batteries that can pack an energy punch that approaches a tank of petrol, the cost is astronomical.

      The only way to sell cars powered by such expensive batteries is to market the vehicles as high-performance sports exotica, and pitch them at the supercar market – where there’s an established customer base, willing and able to spend silly money on silly cars.

      Those of us who would rather buy a sensible car, and only have sensible money to spend, still don’t have a practical electric option.

        • TR

          Michael,

          I think the point of a car like this is to test the boundaries.
          It’s only by testing the boundaries that we’re able to see what is possible.

          Although this car isn’t necessarily practical for the average consumer, it could be of great benefit… by both gathering interest in a field that has certain negative stereotypes (with good reason considering most EVs) and by gaining experience in a relatively new field.

          While I wouldn’t expect their project to suddenly revolutionise the industry it’s a remarkable showing of what people can achieve, and hopefully a wake up call to the major manufacturers because if they can make this then what can the likes of Ford et al achieve.

            • Michael Johnson

              I don’t think major manufacturers necessarily need a wake-up call from manufacturers of small, independent, electric sports cars. The big boys are already on the electric case.

              Ford:

              http://www.ford.co.uk/AboutFord/News/VehicleNews/ElectricVehicles

              Peugeot:

              http://www.peugeot.co.uk/vehicles/peugeot-car-range/peugeot-ion/

              Nissan:

              http://www.nissan.co.uk/?cid=psgreenUK_engreencaromdeupsgg029&kw=hybrid_cars#vehicles/electricvehicles/leaf

              …to name but three. There are other examples out there.

              Those cars can’t match the performance of their conventional counterparts, but they do show that the major manufacturers are moving ever-closer to the goal of a practical, everyday electric car.

              Given the kind of thing the major manufacturers are already doing, what real innovations can Ecotricity (and the several other electric sports car manufacturers) bring to the table?

              If the only real effect of these electric sports cars is to make EVs seem cool and desirable – well, maybe that’s a useful result to a point.

              But refreshing the staid image of electric cars is something that could be handled by a well-aimed marketing campaign. Building expensive, impractical sports cars in a bid to change the public’s view is real sledgehammer-to-crack-a-nut stuff.

              In any case, I suspect when battery technology gets to a level where the electric Ford Focus and other such cars have the same performance/range/price as their petrol/diesel counterparts, it won’t even be necessary to polish up the image of EVs. Genuinely practical electric cars will instantly capture everyone’s imagination. I think they’ll simply sell themselves.

              It won’t be necessary to convince a doubting public by showing them sexy sports models. As soon as practical, sensibly priced, everyday electric cars become available, they’ll sell on their own merits. I reckon they’ll fly out of the showrooms.

              Ecotricity’s sports car is – I guess – supposed to impress everyone with what electric cars can do. In truth, it simply underlines what electric cars can’t do.

    • Jonny Holt

      Hello Michael,

      I have a lot of sympathy with your opinion. Ultimately the Nemesis, Telsa Roadster and their like are not practical for the transport needs of the world. Additionally, I believe that it can be persuasively argued that as playthings, indulgences or mid-life-crises-made-real they are not truly green.

      However, that is not strictly their purpose. Nemesis needs to be viewed in a wider context, not in isolation. Engendering inspiration and innovation, fostering creativity and good old fashioned discourse between interested parties is what these cars are intended to do. It is only with the excitement they generate – also among those who are technically qualified but environmentally uncommitted – that true progress will be made. We need to bring the mass of the car world on board and, like it or not, that means demonstrating that speed, power, roadholding, acceleration and sheer performance are not the sole preserve of petrolheads. Electroheads can now play the petrolhead game on equal terms. Once that hurdle to broad acceptability is overcome, the real work can start in earnest.

      Engineers and innovators have always sought to use the addiction to novelty and excitement of the rich. They provide the money which allows development of the unavoidably expensive technologies of their inventions to such a level of manufacturing maturity that costs can be brought down and volumes increased. Prototypes, essentially low volume production runs by another name, cannot be cheap but they are crucial to the proving and improving of any new design. The vacuum cleaner, refrigerator, mobile phone, personal computer and (internal combustion powered) automobile all went through this process, being bought by those few that could afford them, thereby becoming tainted with the reputation of being rich men’s toys, but eventually being democratised by ever wider availability to the point of becoming essential to modern life.

      Personally, I have no doubt that the Nemesis and its ilk will feed directly into the development of a non-fossil fuel based transport system. It is a necessary staging post on the journey.

      Best regards,

      Jonny.

    • Karl

      Good to see this still ‘running’. Was thinking it was no longer being developed.

      Can you email me when you have time.

    • Alex Millar

      Personally, I would rather more see you guys do something useful instead of a vanity project when the overwhelming weight of evidence is negative at the present time – you talk about efficiency.. so lets do that discussion.

      How about you get involved with me to do a national electric fast charging infrastructure?

      Now that would actually a) be of use to everyone and b) actually benefit your company more than this project.

      Yours sincerely,
      Alex

        • Kevin Sharpe

          Hi Alex. A new UK charity is undertaking a project called “Charge Points Everywhere” installing Level 1 and Level 2 chargers for free at public locations. I would like to discuss your ideas for a fast charge network which I agree should be a national priority. The charity is launched at the BLFCC on the 6th November.

    • Pete Allison

      Hi Dale,

      In Cheltenham, we’re looking to mount a sustainable Motorsports Street Race in the streets of the town centre in 2013 or 2014.

      The project has been developing over the last 2 years, has the support of the Borough, County, Police and town centre partnership and politicians. Seemingly against the odds, it looks like it might be viable and a collection of local businesses that have got together to put the energy in and drive it forward.

      The objective is to drive mainstream motorsports towards a sustainable model, with a number of categories of racing from karting through full touring cars and within each category increasing levels of sustainability criteria from simple improved emissions that can be achieved (with some work) by existing teams, drivers and vehicles through to criteria that cover alternative fuel systems, electrically powered and fuel cell vehicles. In each category, the greater the sustainability criteria, the greater the prize and reward.

      With a national USP of being a full street race and with an international USP in being a sustainability based street race, we’re hoping to use this event to drive sustainability into the heart of motorsports and beyond that help drive the profile of sustainable transport in mainstream motor manufacturing, getting away from the “milk float” mentality.

      We’ve had huge encouragement from the Motorsports Industry Association and various personalities and businesses involved in that sector, locally including Lord Drayson of Drayson Racing and Morgan Motor Company.

      The Company has a website: http://www.cheltenhammotorsports.com

      We’re looking for advice, feedback and business support for the project as it develops and would welcome your views on how we should work on taking it forward.

      Pete Allison
      Cheltenham Motor Sports

        • keith gerrard

          You wont push mainstream motorsport Pete.
          They are sitting on the fence to scared to do different than the manufacturers oil companies and current sponsors demand.
          I have had an official paper before the FIA AEC since January this year on this very subject.
          It contains a complete plan for establishing electric vehicle racing world wide (not just in Cheltenham).
          I have received NO negative feed back, just a brick wall to development.
          FOTA also have one of my suggestions, again wall sitting.

            • Michael Johnson

              Strangely enough, I’m told by a friend who’s into drag racing that there are now electric dragsters…and they’re quite successful.

              Range isn’t an issue. The battery only has to last a quarter of a mile!

              Trouble is, they’re not popular with spectators because there’s no dramatic smoke and flames from the exhaust…

                • keith gerrard

                  I umderstand the Nemesis will be taken to Santa Pod.
                  However, unless there are tightly defined classes for electric vehicles in drag racing, it will remain of little real interest to those who follow the sport.
                  Performance in drag racing for electric vehicles is still behind that of internal combustion, as I pointed out earlier with reference to the Mustang and fuel dragster I competed with in the 1970s. Funny cars, fuel dragsters, Jet and rocket quarter mile vehicles will retain the pure spectacle and the highest quarter mile speeds for a long time yet.
                  Proper tightly defined classes for all levels of electric racing, is the only way further progress can be made in all areas of motor sport.
                  I have been pushing official circles for this to happen for a long time now. The technology is IMO mature enough.
                  Build 40 Nemesis’ (or other EV) find buyers, sponsors and start a series with full MSA and FIA support and maybe it would work. A huge ask in todays economy.
                  No way otherwise.
                  As long as electric motor sport is held back because of this, little progress will be made in electric road cars in regard to their widespread use. Those who support the status quo are well aware of this and also of the huge amounts of money at stake. Dale needs all the support he can get, he must realise by now just what he is up against.
                  I am awaiting a reply from Martin Whitmarsh President of FOTA at this time. I have suggested an electric formula to run alongside F1 at all the venues. Perhaps Dale is interested.

                    • Michael Johnson

                      There surely must be enough Teslas around now to set up some sort of competition.

                      Personally, I’d like to see how the Nemesis would perform against the Tesla. Perhaps with a Lotus Elise on the grid, too, as the control in the experiment…

                      That sort of three-way contest could be set up informally right now. If nothing else, it would make an interesting video for this site!

                    • Phil D

                      I’d have thought a properly prepared electric drag car could quite happily slot in to any number of sportsman classes – Sportsman ET, Super Street and so on? The current sportsman classes don’t have the ultimate lure of the top end stuff, but they’re usually always fit to bursting at the events I’ve been to over the years. I think all-electric races are running before we can walk to be honest. There are no distinct diesel classes for the Audi R15 or Pug 908 as far as I’m aware, but that hasn’t stopped them. Ditto the LPG Focus in the BTCC and the 911 GT3 R hybrid, which just recently went very well at Petit Le Mans. I’m not sure you show EVs are viable by isolating them from everything else, they must be shown to be competitive in the same arena.

                      Nice short video about the GT3 R :-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBrx-XDeHOc

                    • keith gerrard

                      The only reason that diesel engined racing cars are competitive is because the FIA and the National MSA’s structure the regulations to make this so.
                      No racing where differing powertrains and motive power sources are used can work unless this is done.
                      For electric dragsters to be competitive such regulations would have to be drafted within any of the classes chosen for their use. These regulations might work as in diesel racing and then again they might not.
                      The bottom line is the power held by the motor industries and the oil companies, that dictates what racing works and what racing does not.
                      Diesels are another form of oil burning 19th century concept internal combustion engine. They will accept this under pressure. Hybrids that retain ic engines are also gaining acceptance with much kicking and screaming against.
                      EV technology is already mature enough to be fazed in as the prime motive force for transport. It was in the 1930.s when GM scrapped all the American electric buses trams and cars.
                      They did it again when they recalled and scrapped their last electric car that put pressure on vested oil interest.
                      It is getting more difficult this time but proper regulations for EV racing is the one step that will make it happen.

            • Derek

              Keith

              This link may be of interest

              http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-20024147-48.html

              Derek

                • keith gerrard

                  “Given the current energy storage limitations of battery packs, any professional electric racing series would necessarily only cover a few laps. But racing has pushed the boundaries of conventional power-train technology, and could do the same for electric cars. ”

                  The last para of the article.

                  This was a nice demonstration, unfortunately electric racing is all still a form of demonstration at present. In this case two identical Tesla’s and this proves nothing regarding the Teslas ability against other ‘equal’ competition. (it might just as well have been two milk floats).
                  For ‘real’ electric competition there must be proper solely electric regulations drawn up by the FIA and the subordinate motor sports national bodies.
                  I will be placing my official paper on this subject before the FIA AEC again for next year. It outlines the steps needed to be taken to achieve a range of official electric racing formula.

                  Last year the FIA decided that electric technology was not mature enough for this to happen. Perhaps it will happen in 2011.
                  When it does happen which is inevitable, that will be when EVs will take off in the minds of the general public.

                  If enough people support this ideal and e-mail the FIA AEC, perhaps they will change their mind and allow EV racing to take its place on the world map.

    • keith gerrard

      The contest would prove very little Michael.
      The power trains of the vehicles is different and they were not built to a set of regulations
      One make formula tend to remain of little interest to the media and National in concept anyway.
      However there have already been a good number of competitive electric events around the world including some with the Tesla.
      The technology changes almost every week however and the Tesla is now old technology.

        • Michael Johnson

          I don’t think an EV competition would necessarily have to prove anything in terms of technology. It would just have to generate publicity for electric vehicles, and focus wider attention on what EVs could do. After all, isn’t this what the whole electric sports car thing is all about?

          Someone commented above that the point I originally made – that electric sports cars are impractical – isn’t really the issue. Such cars exist primarily to call attention to the overall concept of electric vehicles – to make people aware that it’s not all about milk floats. Their purpose is to inspire everyone to push everything forward.

          A competition between electric sports cars and their conventional equivalents might be a bit of a publicity stunt. But isn’t that just what electric vehicles need right now? Isn’t that, to a great extent, what cars such as the Nemesis are in any case – publicity stunts for the EV concept?

          If that’s the case, why not get ’em on the race track?

          I think my original point stands. These sports cars are really an entertaining diversion – they may have some publicity value for the concept of electric cars, but in practical terms they’re virtually meaningless.

          If Ecotricity really want to push things forward, and challenge the major manufacturers to up their game, why not do this…

          Buy a second-hand Ford Focus. Strip out the engine and drive train. Replace it with Ecotricity’s own electric traction package – and create an electric Focus that’s better than Ford’s own product.

          That would have tremendous publicity value – David beating Goliath at his own game! It would throw down the gauntlet to the big boys, and, not incidentally, create something we genuinely need: a practical, everyday, electric car.

          All boxes ticked! So, why didn’t Ecotricity do it?

          I suspect the short answer is because they knew they couldn’t do it. Nobody can. Ford’s electric Focus is about as good as such a car can get, given the limits of today’s battery technology.

          Which, I think, is where we came in…

            • keith gerrard

              All the different makers of ‘exotic’ electric vehicles run different systems. A direct competition would be meaningless and most of the makers would not risk coming second.

              There is absolutely NO way that a small one car prototype maker could ever build a production road car electric or otherwise to compete with the major manufacturers.

              This is why they focus on exotic specials, as it is the only way to get a vehicle on the road.

              Pure electric racing cars at an affordable price are the ONLY way to go.
              The supporters of conventional performance cars know this and it is precisely why the concept will continue to be held back by them.

                • Michael Johnson

                  I did not suggest that Ecotricity should compete with major car manufacturers.

                  The idea that Ecotricity – or indeed any small-scale maker of one-off project cars – could set up a high-volume production line to churn out family hatchbacks in competition with the major manufacturers is obviously absurd.

                  But, if Ecotricity really has got some genuinely innovative ideas for electric cars, there is surely nothing to stop them building one prototype electric hatchback that trumps the current offerings of the major firms – and then saying, ‘C’mon then, you lot – there’s your proof of concept. Now you make lots of them!’

                  All they have to do is build one car – and make sure it’s a better car.

                  Then pass the baton…

                  Of course, Ecotricity have not done this. Nobody has done this. Why? Because, as I said before, they can’t. Everybody is up against the same limits of technology.

                  Until we get a better battery, we’re stuck with not-quite-good-enough cars like Ford’s electric Focus – and entertaining, but essentially meaningless, sports cars like the Nemesis. These might have some publicity value for the EV cause, but beyond that will always remain mere novelties.

                    • keith gerrard

                      I am sorry Michael but I do not think you have a clue as to what is involved building even a one off production protype to compare to a road saloon.
                      A late partner of mine was chief test driver for Vauxhall Motors for a few years. It was he who explained to me that it took six Months to design a new car and up to seven years to develop it for acceptance in the market place.
                      The cost would be many times ecotricities total financial resources. Dale is well aware of this I am sure.
                      The only limit to electric vehicle technology is the blocks put on it by the motor head status quo. Of which until recently I admit I was one. There were sensible and usable electric vehicles including cars in the 1920s and even before that.

    • Alex Hartley

      Hi,

      There are quite a few electric racing series being set up see EV Cup etc…

      Off topic BUT I am doing my own blog post re Millbrook highlights but anyone know where I can get a decent photo showing the shape /look of the Nemesis??!

      alexecorally

    • keith gerrard

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11354875

      Latest on electric motorsport
      For the Citroen you just need a million to buy it and a couple to run a season plus someone nice enough to front at least 5 million to start a series.
      If it did happen it would probably be a series limited to France anyway. Might be a start.
      The EV cup is a protype bash and very expensive aimed at the technology and not the competition on the ground.
      Early days yet, at least for ‘proper’ electric racing.
      With proper formula’ set up Internationaly through the FIA,
      I could start the next step, which is finding and convincing a totaly new source of sponsors.
      That cannot happen with vehicles built just for indulgence.

    • keith gerrard
        • Derek

          Keith

          Have you seen this link

          http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11354875

          Derek

            • keith gerrard

              I have already posted this link two posts above Derek.
              Electric cars can only progress further if ‘proper’ electric car racing formula’ are established.
              I have outlined this in detail on an official paper presented to the FIA Alternate Energy Commision this January.

              Electric Motor Cycle Racing is forging ahead, even with the obvious media restrictions on coverage.
              If those investing in exotic electric prototype cars would get together and put all their effort into creating some ‘proper’ electric car series’, then it might force those responsible for decisions within the motor sport and car industries to stop waffling about ‘shock and awe’, stop going vrrm vrrm and take a serious interest.

    • keith gerrard

      Hi Dale
      We have identified a potential electric development of huge interest.
      Wing Commander Ken Wallis MBE has been developing light autogyros for many years. It should now be possible to build a solely electric powered version of his aircraft the W116 capable of a full range of operational tasks and with around an hour of useable endurance.
      In the 1960’s there was a fully proven VTOL airliner autogyro in the UK, the Fairy Rotodyne. It should also be possible to design and build a solely electric version of this aircraft.
      It would need no runways and no jet fuel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • keith gerrard

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD8TfjDMYT0

      Well what do you know!
      The Americans have built an electric helicopter, due to fly end of the year.
      Difference between this joke and the Wallis W116, is that the American electric Helicopter has an endurance of 15 minutes and will achieve absolutely nothing and the Wallis will have an endurance of at least an hour with a full workable range of tasking. The reason is: the W116 is an autogyro not a helicopter, has an unpowered rotor and flies on less than a third the power needed for a helicopter.
      Investment!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

        • paul

          Hiya Keith,

          I spoke to Dale about the Wallis – he is def interested & we’ll be contacting him 🙂

          Thanks for the heads-up & your continued input in the blog comments!

          Cheers
          Paul

            • keith gerrard

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9633v6U0wo

              Here we see the superior BritishVTOL airliner developed and proven in the 1960s and scrapped to allow the yank aviation industry to take all our money and pollute the airways.
              A modern version of this aircraft could fly with a primary power source using electricity. It would elliminate the need for runways or jet fuel.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9WXPsqEy1s

              Here is a video of Wing Commander Ken Wallis MBE (should be a knighthood) and his light autogyros showing the wide range of roles the aircraft is capable of, from dealing with UXBs in the middle east (saving the lives of our troops) to operations off small patrol craft to small for a helicopter (dealing with pirates). One W116 costs the same as a police patrol car by the way and six would give a two minute response tme anywhere over Norfolk.
              Simple matter to convert to fully electric!!!!

    • Derek

      Dale

      Will you be entering the Nemesis in the following event?

      http://www.futurecarchallenge.com/index.htm

      Derek

        • paul

          Hiya Derek – check out the ‘entries’ listing 😉

          Paul

            • Derek

              Paul

              Thats great news you have entered. Good luck. I wish I could be there on the day.

              Any news on future production cars?

              Derek

    • MIke Stewart

      Dale,

      The tests seem to be going extremely well, and you and your team should be congratulated on your achievements. This type of thing will help drag the boundaries of this technology forward. However, as some of the other comments on this blog have mentioned, many of the major manufactures have electric car programs.

      Six months ago though I came to you with a concept to do something truly different. To have a fuel cell to drive Nemesis, that took carbon dioxide in during the production and retained it after use. Nemesis could be the first electric car to actually counteract global warming and not just delay the inevitable.

      At the time you suggested that it wasn’t something that you could tackle at that stage which I understood. However, having had 6 months of being unable to knock down doors I was hoping you may reconsider or at least hear me out to see if there are others that you might be able to put me in touch with.

      I have spent a long time shouting into the wind and could really use some help.

      Mike

    • keith gerrard

      Shouting into the wind is a common practise from many involved in alternate energy development.
      The mainstream vehicle producers are very far from agreeing with the major changes that are inevitable.
      Electricity is not a prime energy source, it is simply a method of distributing energy in a far more efficient way.
      IMHO there has been no problem potentialy in replacing the current ic motive power for transport with an infra structure based on distributing electricity since at least the 1930s.
      The core for such a structure was in place and working efficiently in most US and European Citys at that time.
      The problem is not the technology but the politics and economics. IMO there is no need for on vehicle energy production.

    • James Bewley

      Dear Mr Vince,

      I have been following this development with interest over the course of the last year, sharing in the building tensions between the team as the time and budget slipped. As an observer experiencing building frustration as a single apparently simple irritation kept the achievement of the next milestone tantalisingly close.

      I must admit I have looked out for each of the episodes, without concern for the increasingly awkward fraction that became a gauge of tardiness. Entertained by the process and delighted when the team met a milestone as I was under the impression that this project was a folly, driven by the boyish dreams of a millionaire environmentalist.

      Today I discovered that this folly has been sold to the Technology Strategy Board as a serious project, gaining their support and scooping £400,000 from the Ultra Low Carbon Vehicle Demonstrator competition. I am sorry to say the shine has been rubbed off the freshly branded Ecotricity ‘Wind Powered Car’.

      My only wish is that you surrender any intellectual property generated by this project to the unsung heroes at AVID Vehicles Limited who seem to have tied up the loose ends and made this PR stunt a reality. AVID could also benefit from the support of your savvy PR department as I struggled to even find their website (http://www.avidvehicles.com/). So their offering (the Cue-V) may be the type of sensible daily runner that your PR team where trying to avoid association with, but the reality is the government can’t by everyone a flashy new toy.

      I can’t help myself from thinking that it may been even more entertaining if your PR team had convinced the BBC to create a documentary series covering the project. Seriously though, I have enjoyed following the development and if you fancy taking me out for a spin though the Gloucestershire countryside I’m in; but you’ll understand if I don’t bring my wallet.

      James

    • keith gerrard

      The whole electric vehicle development industry is being carefuly controled and directed by governments.
      EVs are not alternate energy vehicles, they are simply a different method of applying any energy source to vehicle traction.
      The grant strucures and competitions for them are a method of massaging public opinion nothing more at present.
      Paying lip service to the CO2 issue is all it is.
      Unfortunately is has created a large number of companies and incentives, whos sole purpose is to build EVs and hoover up grants and investments. There are little if any radicaly new ideas in the technology used and the whole thing achieves a diluting of the advances in electric traction that should be happening.
      Until there is a government led drive to improve the electric grid and establish a workable coverage of re-charge sites throughout this and other countries, the whole EV industry will remain actively held back by the fossil fuel and ic vested interest. It is a bit like the Romans being held back by the stone age.

    • Chris Elliott

      Keith (Gerrard) why aren’t you an MP Mate, you are spot on but preaching to the converted. Shame you aren’t the DECC Minister, clear out all the oil mogul sponsored Yes Minister parasites holding the country back (they and private company Gemserve killed the LCBP and MicroREnewable industry in 2009)

      Electric Cars are/will be controlled by regulations, i.e Governments infulenced by industry, or suppliers. Do you think Tony Blair wanted to drop the Saudi bribes case over the planes scandal. The Saudis threatened to take all their money out of the City of London. Instant free fall economy and Brazilian rates of inflation.

      Its not Gov’s you want onside its the real players, which is possible because the Oil is running out. They are quietly expanding adapting to supply the ‘new’ oil. Research Highland Spring, who owns it and how much they have quietly bought up recently.

      As for Racing, the bike world has done it already around the TT etc and they have all managed to fall out over the regs already. Governing body egos.

      Of course, the 50 yr old cyclist, who I am not saying for a moment was paid to collide with a Canadian electric Motorcycle during an open roads competition … by a oil mogul, but that kind of publicity is self destructive. It only takes one action to set of a chain reaction. Slightly off subject. I wonder if the idiots who set off the first nuclear bomb test thought they were going to possibly die that day? Because truth known, they didn’t really know where the reaction would stop.

      The biggest thing against the Blue Economy, the planet is Blue seen from Space, Green is so yesterday … are ego’s and self interest. As a footnote it allegedly takes 32,000 gallons of water (blue) to produce the steel to make one car (maybe a third of that to make a Lotus. Dale 🙂 )contaminated it goes back down into the earth and the gas goes up.

      Precipitation is changing with the world climate and we aren’t been given clean water back fast enough.. fact.

      Today the US will use 143 billion gallons of fresh water to produce energy, more than drawn for irrigation and three times that used for public consumption. Catch 22 anyone, lights on or a glass of water? (Highland Spring Water?)

      I found a new US Facebook forum today called Ecocentric and someone had posted ‘Recycling is patriotic’ but failed to add and screw the rest of the world! And then there is the Chinese. In 2007 if we turned off ‘everything’ in the UK they would have negated the saving in a month.

      That’s without mentioning that their are 25lbs of Rare Earth Elements’s in every new Toyota Prius, don”t know any much in yours Dale, but the Chinese are withholding REE exports to a third of the 2009 120,000 tons in 2011. Greed didn’t paint us into a corner there, did it?

    • Chris Elliott

      ‘Painted into a corner’ ? We have allowed the Chinese to monopolise the REE supply by under cutting everyone else and shutting down all the other plants/mines.

      They now supply 95% of the world’s needs.

      120,000 ton in 2009 and it was predicted to need 180,000 in 2014-15 and thats without increased hybrid and electric car production. The trade is worth $2 billion at present and the estimates are that discovered deposits are valued at $200 billion at 2009/10 prices.

      Interesting US congressional report at the link below. Of course it doesn’t mention that out good an great governmnets and Industry leaders if they had a voice … should have seen it coming and loaded up the tax on Chinese REE’s!

      Not much point in having a Competition Committee if it doesn’t do sod all. But then again, what is left of Britain isn’t allowed to be Patriotic is it? We are but a few and called xenophobics these days.

      http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/R41347.pdf

    • Krishna

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