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		<title>Why green electricity prices go up when brown prices do &#8211; Part 2</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>dale</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A better explanation of our recent price rise
You may remember a post I wrote entitled &#8220;Why green electricity prices go up when brown prices do&#8221; in which I first attempted to explain this seemingly counter-intuitive situation.
I also recently wrote to all of our customers explaining that we needed to follow the recent price rises (of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3>A better explanation of our recent price rise</h3>
<p>You may remember a post I wrote entitled <a title="First post on why green energy prices go up when brown prices do" href="http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/04/09/why-green-electricity-prices-go-up-when-brown-prices-do/">&#8220;Why green electricity prices go up when brown prices do&#8221;</a> in which I first attempted to explain this seemingly counter-intuitive situation.</p>
<p>I also recently wrote to all of our customers explaining that we needed to follow the recent price rises (of the Big Six) and why.  In it I tried to provide a simple explanation of why green electricity prices go up when brown electricity prices do. I received a number of e-mails and letters from customers who had further questions about that and related issues.</p>
<p>I’ve spent the last few nights considering how best to approach this and writing what follows below – it’s a more detailed explanation of why our prices need to follow the market (for now).  I hope in the process to better explain the way the electricity market works, how this affects what we do and at the same time cover the majority of questions asked.</p>
<p>Here we go… <span id="more-51"></span></p>
<h3>Perhaps a bit too simple</h3>
<p>In my letter I gave a simplified version of why we had to put our prices up to match the Big Six, which focussed on the fact that green and brown prices go up together.  A number of our customers pointed out that they accepted this for energy from the market but Ecotricity self-generates 30% of its own energy from windmills.  A good point.</p>
<p>The letter required a simplified explanation of things because for one thing most people don’t want the nth degree of detail and for another we had just the one sheet of paper to work with (ideally) and a lot of other information to include.  All letters require some form of compromise on detail.</p>
<p>Here, I’ve no such constraints.  Best be seated with a cup of tea when you tackle this…</p>
<h3>Types of questions asked</h3>
<p>I had e-mails from both New Energy and New Energy Plus customers, with the same question at their heart.</p>
<p>A number of our New Energy customers read the price rise letter and said ‘OK we get that green and brown electricity prices go up together, but 30% of our electricity (the green part) is self-generated from the wind, why has the price of that gone up?”  and that’s a very fair question (the answer to which is coming).</p>
<p>Other customers said “I’m on your 100% tariff (New Energy Plus) so why are my prices going up at all?”  I tried to be clear about this in the price rise letter  &#8211; basically green and brown prices go up together, just because it’s green doesn&#8217;t make it immune to price rises – if it comes from the market it’s linked to the price of brown.  And for our 100% tariff &#8211; 70% of the green comes from the market.  That’s further explained below.</p>
<h3>In the market &#8211; there’s only one price for electricity</h3>
<p>For both of our tariffs, 70% of the electricity we supply to you comes from the market – with New Energy, the 70% is brown electricity and with New Energy Plus the 70% is green electricity.</p>
<p>The first thing I want to try and make clear is that this 70% &#8211; in both cases – goes up and down with the market price.  It absolutely does, there’s nothing we can do about that &#8211; and the reasons are that the market sets the price for electricity at one level – green or brown, coal, gas, oil or nuclear – it doesn’t matter where it comes from or what it costs to produce (and they all have different costs to produce) – there’s only one price to buy.</p>
<p>When you buy green electricity what you actually do is buy non-descript (brown in reality) electricity from the market and you buy something called a REGO to go with it.  A REGO is Renewable Energy Guarantee of Origin certificate – something that is issued to generators for each unit of green they produce and which is used to ensure that greenness is only sold once – it’s a European-wide standard.  And it works.</p>
<p>This is important to understand.  The market sets one price for electricity, be it from coal, oil, gas, nuclear or green – there’s one price only.  To buy green, you buy electricity and add a REGO, or you buy electricity with a REGO – either way you pay a brown price for the electricity and a price for the REGO – it’s the same end result.</p>
<p>So for the 70% that we top up our New Energy tariff from the brown market, we pay the market price and for the 70% we top up New Energy Plus from the ‘green market’ we pay the market price &#8211;  and there’s nothing we can do about it.  With New Energy Plus we also pay 0.5p per unit, which is the premium on this tariff – for the REGO.  This makes the 70% top up green.</p>
<p>That’s my first point.  70% of our power, whichever tariff you may be on with us, is linked absolutely to market prices.</p>
<h3>What about the electricity we generate ourselves?</h3>
<p>Leaving the very good question that a number of customers have asked  “so what about the 30% green electricity that Ecotricity generates itself, why does that become more expensive?”  It’s an excellent question.</p>
<p>And this is where the simplified explanation in my letter (the O level version?) falls over – we need the A level version.  For that we have to dive into the complexities of energy trading.  Here we go –</p>
<p>Our price policy and promise is to match the price of brown energy from the Big Six.  In that we think we’ve got a simple and fair position.  Green for the price of brown and our total commitment to new build thrown in.  We also assume that we can operate within the margins the Big Six set for themselves, we set ourselves the goal to do that, and invest those record amounts in new build at the same time.</p>
<p>But there are several costs that we bear that the Big Six don’t, because of their size and their purchasing power.  There are other costs we bear when supplying our own green electricity, that are additional to the cost of supplying brown electricity.  Two basic areas where we lose out when matching their price.</p>
<h3>Hedging</h3>
<p>The first is about ability to purchase power ahead of time – it’s called hedging.  We reckon most of the Big Six are hedged between six and twelve months forwards.  This means that when the market price for electricity goes up, they are largely unaffected for a period of time – I’d guess a good six months.  And this is bourne out to some degree by the delays we see between wholesale (market) prices going up and then retail (Big Six) prices following.  I think they move while they still have some hedged myself, and this may be supported by the reported rise in profits that often accompany a rise in retail prices &#8211; that the Big Six say are ‘only’ to match their purchasing costs – there’s an overlap basically.</p>
<p>But there’s a lag too, from our point of view.</p>
<p>To buy energy on the forward market and therefore fix the price you need large sums of cash unless you have a top credit rating (which all the Big Six have).  As a small independent you need cash.  You also need cash to pay security deposits for the costs of transmission and distribution and for the costs of balancing (more on that in the second category here) – in short you need a lot of cash tied up.  The fact is small independents cannot hedge to the extent that the Big Six can and do.  So when market prices rise our costs rise more quickly, because we buy from the market much more immediately than the Big Six do.  Six months later maybe, the Big Six put their prices up and we follow.  Our costs are now better matched by our sales prices but for six months we’ve been losing significantly.</p>
<p>That’s how it works in a rising market.  Our prices, because of our policy to match the Big Six, only go up months after our costs have done so, and when I said in that letter that we would have had to put our prices up soon if the Big Six hadn’t – I absolutely meant it.</p>
<h3>The need to balance</h3>
<p>The second category of costs we absorb, that don&#8217;t exist for the Big Six and their brown tariffs (the prices of which we match) are the costs of supplying green electricity.  These are essentially costs of balancing.</p>
<p>The wind of course blows when it does, and stops when it stops.  That’s the nature of wind energy.  Across the whole grid it’s no big deal, there’s plenty of supply and demand movement to smooth things out.  But as a supplier we have to balance what our customers take from the grid, with what we put into the grid – every half hour of every day of the year.</p>
<p>When we fail to balance, and it’s inevitable for all suppliers but more so for small ones (that’s due to statistics and the error probabilities of large and small data sets – plus the added issue of variable wind), we find ourselves in the ‘balancing market’ which is the market of last resort – it’s also a penalty market.  You either buy (if you have too little) or sell (if you have too much) at very bad prices.</p>
<p>We all take electricity when we want it, night or day, whatever the weather.  We take that for granted.  But wind energy is intermittent and is far harder to match to customer demand – almost impossible.  So we buy and sell (our wind and our imbalance) through the short term (or ‘prompt’) market and through the balancing market.  When our electricity goes through either market like this two things happen – suddenly there’s a link to the market price (from something we generated ourselves and should in simple theory be immune to that) and there’s a ‘buy sell spread’ that we are exposed to (like when you buy or sell currency for your holiday) as well as the balancing penalty which can be very significant.  And the higher the market price the higher the penalties, they travel together.  And therefore the ‘price’ of our own green electricity is suddenly hitched to the market price.  And we have increased costs.</p>
<p>So, there’s two areas where our costs are bigger than the Big Six and both impact our ability to separate the price of our own green electricity from the market price.</p>
<h3>The absolute truth</h3>
<p>This is the best I can do to explain how things work.  I’ve been in electricity for over ten years.  It’s the most complex thing I’ve ever been involved in and I’m not sure I fully get it yet.</p>
<p>But I promise you all when I say we need to match Big Six prices to carry on doing what we do. I’m telling you the absolute truth.  We’re not profiteering in any way whatsoever.  Our margins this year will be worse than last for sure, we currently estimate 30% lower.  But we will carry on, matching the brown price, working within (and below) the margins the Big Six get – and spending record amounts building new sources of green electricity.  I still think that’s a great achievement.</p>
<p>And one day, when we have sufficient of our own green electricity (a much higher proportion) and when we have a way to better handle balancing costs (we have plans for generation side management to smooth the peaks and troughs) – we will be able to detach ourselves from the brown prices of the Big Six and from the market and give our customers a discount for their green electricity.  That’s our intention.  We will at that time be cheaper than the Big Six.</p>
<p>I hope this explanation gives a better insight into the many factors we wrestle with every day to bring you green electricity and continual investment in new green sources – and of course electricity when you want it.  And a better insight into our plans for the future.</p>
<p>I hope this explanation won’t be taken as overly complex – I’ve tried to be thorough.  To nail this issue.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>A week in the life of&#8230;.</title>
		<link>http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/06/26/a-week-in-the-life-of/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>dale</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It’s been an interesting week in the world of renewable. As mentioned yesterday, the G published leaked details of the Government ‘Renewable Energy Strategy:
“Revealed: UK’s blueprint for a green revolution”
So &#8211; we may actually be entering into a second industrial revolution if the government gets stuck in with that £100 billion. They’re making all the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s been an interesting week in the world of renewable. As mentioned yesterday, the G published leaked details of the Government ‘Renewable Energy Strategy:</p>
<p><a title="Guardian - Revealed: UKs blueprint for a green revolution" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/21/renewableenergy.carbonemissions');" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/21/renewableenergy.carbonemissions" target="_blank">“Revealed: UK’s blueprint for a green revolution”</a></p>
<p>So &#8211; we may actually be entering into a second industrial revolution<span id="more-32"></span> if the <a title="BBC News - " onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7467336.stm');" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7467336.stm" target="_blank">government gets stuck in with that £100 billion</a>. They’re making all the right noises…</p>
<p>But … the fact remains – we have to cope with a planning system not fit for purpose. In 1999 the House of Lords Select Committee on the European Communities first identified that the planning process is a “grave hindrance to achieving the necessary growth in renewables”. Nearly ten years on and nothing has changed –the planning system still remains the most significant barrier to achieving the delivery of wind energy.</p>
<p>It’s the only major generation source that depends for planning on District Councils – the government deals with all others for very good reasons.</p>
<p>Lord Adair Turner suggested that there may be a tweak in the planning process to ‘unstick’ more wind projects following <a title="MP3 2.1MB - opens in new window" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/downloads/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/bbcradio4-080623.mp3');" href="http://zerocarbonista.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/bbcradio4-080623.mp3" target="_blank">my little piece on Radio4’s PM on Friday</a>.</p>
<p>The planning bill was debated yesterday – it’s been heralded as the cure for all planning’s ills but it still leaves the majority of wind projects in planning hell while at the same time <a onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7470846.stm');" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7470846.stm">smoothing the way for New Nuclear and nice new runways</a>.</p>
<p>With all this on his plate Prime Minister Brown couldn’t quite stop himself from running off to OPEC, asking ever so politely if it would be possible to “keep the price of oil down a little bit please … while I try and sort out our little energy problem” … and also to ask them <a title="BBC News - Plea by PM at talks on oil price" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7467151.stm');" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7467151.stm" target="_blank">if they wouldn’t mind investing some of their trillions of profit in ‘our’ nuclear programme…</a></p>
<p>It also seems there has also been no better time to be looking at electric transport (well &#8211; it would have been better to be looking at it a century ago, but better late than never!):</p>
<p><a title="Guardian - Electric cars given official green light to boost climate change goals" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/22/travelandtransport.carbonemissions');" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/22/travelandtransport.carbonemissions" target="_blank">“Electric cars given official green light to boost climate change goals”</a></p>
<p><a title="Guardian - Eco-town plans attacked over public transport links" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/23/greenbuilding.greenpolitics');" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/23/greenbuilding.greenpolitics" target="_blank">Most eco-towns are being turned down or criticised for lack of coherent transport policy</a>.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: line-through;"><a title="Independant - Dyson working on new generation of fast, green cars" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/dyson-working-on-new-generation-of-fast-green-cars-852023.html');" href="http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/dyson-working-on-new-generation-of-fast-green-cars-852023.html" target="_blank">Dyson has just entered the electric vehicle game…</a> (I hope his cars don’t suck!)<br />
</span> It turns out <a title="Dyson is NOT making an electric car" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/gas2.org/2008/06/27/dyson-is-not-making-an-electric-car/');" href="http://gas2.org/2008/06/27/dyson-is-not-making-an-electric-car/" target="_blank">Dyson is <strong>not</strong> entering the electric vehicle game!</a></p>
<p><a title="BusinessGreen - McCain puts bounty on batteries" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.businessgreen.com/vnunet/news/2219842/mccain-puts-bounty-batteries');" href="http://www.businessgreen.com/vnunet/news/2219842/mccain-puts-bounty-batteries" target="_blank">McCain puts bounty on batteries</a></p>
<p>For those people who travel less than 30 or 40 miles to work (well more like 15 or 20 if you can’t charge at the other end) – <a title="Smartplanet - Sub-£1000 electric StreetScoota lands in UK" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.smartplanet.com/news/transport/10001419/sub-1000-electric-streetscoota-lands-in-uk.htm');" href="http://www.smartplanet.com/news/transport/10001419/sub-1000-electric-streetscoota-lands-in-uk.htm" target="_blank">a sub £1000 electric scooter has arrived in the UK</a>.</p>
<p>Finally there is <a title="The Register - Mackay on Carbon Free UK" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/20/mackay_on_carbon_free_uk/');" href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/20/mackay_on_carbon_free_uk/" target="_blank">an interesting piece from The Register</a> &#8211; it’s an analysis of a draft book by Professor David J C MacKay of the Cambridge University Department of Physics, which attempts to do some real number crunching when it comes to looking at our future energy choices. The <a title="Without Hot Air" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.withouthotair.com');" href="http://www.withouthotair.com/" target="_blank">draft e-book is available here</a> &#8211; it makes interesting and thought provoking reading if nothing else. I haven’t had time to check his figures though!</p>
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		<title>Renewable Energy Strategy &#8211; actions speak louder than words!</title>
		<link>http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/06/25/renewable-energy-strategy-actions-speak-louder-than-words/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>dale</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Government’s ‘Renewable Energy Strategy’ comes out tomorrow. Some details leaked in the G this weekend. “Revealed: UK’s blueprint for a green revolution”
The UK have had big plans before, though not this big &#8211; what we’ve always been missing is the guts to make them happen, to drive the change needed. That’s why we’ve missed [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Government’s ‘Renewable Energy Strategy’ comes out tomorrow. Some details leaked in the G this weekend. <a title="Guardian - " onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/21/renewableenergy.carbonemissions');" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/21/renewableenergy.carbonemissions" target="_blank">“Revealed: UK’s blueprint for a green revolution”</a></p>
<p>The UK have had big plans before, though not this big &#8211; what we’ve always been missing is the guts to make them happen, to drive the change needed. That’s why we’ve missed targets before and why we’ll miss them again. Talk is one thing (and we’ve had plenty of it, low carbon economy this, climate change biggest threat that……. and so on) what we need is action.<span id="more-33"></span></p>
<p>Offshore costs twice as much to generate from so unless huge sums of public money are being set aside &#8211; it won’t happen. And onshore is blocked by the planning system and unless the government intends to get to grips with this simple reality &#8211; again it won’t happen.</p>
<p>The biggest potential we have comes from onshore wind, yet two thirds of all wind projects are refused by District Councils at the planning stage, and two thirds are upheld by the government at appeal – a lot of bad decisions being overturned, eventually.</p>
<p>It usually takes between three to five years, costs an awful lot of time and money just to get a simple decision. Wind is our big opportunity – it’s our new North Sea Oil. We’ve enough to run the country three or four times over and it’s stuck in a planning system that’s not fit for purpose and wasn’t designed for it.</p>
<p>Went on <a title="Audio clip - Dale on Radio4's PM show - opens in new window" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/downloads/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/bbcradio4-080623.mp3');" href="http://zerocarbonista.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/bbcradio4-080623.mp3" target="_blank">Radio 4’s PM show last week to bring this up with Adair Turner</a>. Not often you get to put the questions direct to those who have the power to change the situation. Here’s hoping Brown et al actually achieve something this time …</p>
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		<title>Offshore wind &#8211; The façade begins to crumble?</title>
		<link>http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/05/02/offshore-wind-the-facade-begins-to-crumble/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 10:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>dale</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Big news yesterday.  Shell have pulled out of the London Array – the world’s largest offshore windfarm proposal.  Bit of a shock to the well-spun world of offshore wind.  As is the reason &#8211; that it doesn’t stack up financially.  Shell, bless em, with record first quarter profits of £3.9 billion [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big news yesterday.  Shell have pulled out of the London Array – the world’s largest offshore windfarm proposal.  Bit of a shock to the well-spun world of offshore wind.  As is the reason &#8211; that it doesn’t stack up financially.  Shell, bless em, with record first quarter profits of £3.9 billion &#8211; you’d think they could afford a few windmills.   Actually what they’re saying is they can’t make enough money out of it.  Profit before planet of course.<span id="more-23"></span></p>
<p>Offshore wind is a bad idea for a number of reasons – the cost to build being twice that of onshore wind is a big one.  But even the supposed efficiency benefits of offshore wind have failed to materialise as recent government statistics show offshore performs no better than onshore &#8211; in some cases worse.</p>
<p>Shell have acted for purely selfish reasons but their withdrawal will do some good. The offshore bandwagon needed a reality check.</p>
<p>The government will have to stump up vastly more money or face the probability that offshore dreams will remain only that.  Or, dare I say it, just tweak the planning system for onshore wind and stand back and watch the UK’s wind capacity soar.</p>
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		<title>Renewables fudge</title>
		<link>http://zerocarbonista.com/2008/04/01/renewables-fudge/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>dale</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nope, no April fool &#8211; the Government is trying to fudge UK renewables targets – again. Splashed on the front page of the Guardian this weekend … the story had three threads:
1. The bonkers idea from Lady Whatshername, that the UK should be able
to build renewables projects in the developing world and count them towards [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, no April fool &#8211; the Government is trying to fudge UK renewables targets – again. Splashed on the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/mar/29/renewableenergy.climatechange" title="Guardian Front Page - 29/03/2008" target="_blank">front page of the Guardian</a> this weekend … the story had three threads:</p>
<p>1. The bonkers idea from Lady Whatshername, that the UK should be able<br />
to build renewables projects in the developing world and count them towards UK targets for renewables.</p>
<p>First we had carbon offsetting, and now we have Target Offsetting.  Renewable Energy is about more than<span id="more-14"></span> just hitting government targets somehow &#8211; it’s about where the UK gets its energy from in the future, about how we keep the lights on in a world running out of fossil fuels. Building renewables in another part of the world isn’t going to do anything to provide the UK with power &#8211; unless we use some very long wires. Lady Whatshername just misses the point, Renewables targets are about where we get our power from, post North Sea oil and gas. Hitting them in China won’t help us.</p>
<p>What’s next, building hospitals in India and using them to meet NHS targets?</p>
<p>The whole idea sounds like something from a Monty Python sketch.</p>
<p>This Target Offsetting would provide the ultimate NIMBY argument – “don’t build them in my back yard, build them in China, it’s easier and cheaper”  I can hear the NIMBY’s warming up now.</p>
<p>2. Then the equally bonkers idea that clean coal &#8211; an oxymoron in any event &#8211; should count towards renewable targets. It really doesn’t get any crazier than this. We burn coal, capture the carbon and count the electricity as green and renewable …!</p>
<p>Actually we need to stop burning things – it’s so very steam age of us (stone age really).  We need to move to a cleaner way of doing things, using fuel sources that are combustion and carbon free, like the wind.</p>
<p>It’s nothing less than a second Industrial Revolution that we need.</p>
<p>3. Last week John Hutton said that Nuclear was the UK’s new North Sea Oil – Derr…</p>
<p>Does the UK have any Uranium mines John? How on earth can nuclear be considered a native fuel source. You might as well call nuclear our new Russian Gas &#8211; because that’s a much closer analogy.</p>
<p>Maybe Homer Simpson has taken a job in the policy unit of number 10.  Anyone got a better explanation for all this..?</p>
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